I had an interesting conversation on here with an Obama supporter which I have cut and paste for your viewing pleasure:
"like much of your thinking but... (none / 0)
How is Obama centist? Who are his "right wing" ecomomic advisors?
You make some assumptions - where did you get that information?
My take is that Obama is committed to the same progressive values at Edwards and both have done a lot to promote ethics reform. I think that is THE issue: getting lobbyists money out of Washington. I think the Clintons have tried to paint Obama with the same brush as her - but its not true. Its pure demagoguery.
Check it out for yourself - visit the FEC site - its easy. you can see where candidates get their money.
"Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 12:56:50 AM EST
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By the way (none / 0)
Edwards would be fine with me - I would love a brokered convention - lets get it all out in the open.
Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 12:58:27 AM EST
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Re: I like much of your thinking but... (none / 0)
look up his advisors.
by bruh21 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 01:02:25 AM EST
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you made an accusation (none / 0)
back it up"
My question is why doesn't this supporter know this, and I wonder to what degree are many of his supporters like this? Basing their judgement on general feelings about Obama's biography. Is this the American liberal electorate now? Just another version of a faith based community?
For the record, Obama's lead economic advisor is Austan Goolsbee.
Discussed here by Real Clear Politics:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article s/2007/10/obamas_curious_economic_advise .html
He comes from the Chicago School of Economic thought. One of the most conservative in the country. The school of thought that has so infected law-- that an entire methodology for practicing law law and economics- exists.
Why didn't this poster know this? The broader question- how many of his supporters do no know who constitute his advisors?
I really don't expect to change outcomes regarding candidates. Just trying to understand voters better at this point. Trying to reengage thinking. Especially liberal ones.
As Merbex writes:
"Whenever Obama signals that he isn't as progressive as they all thought - Reagan interview,Rezko affiliation,McClurkin, they sit silent or they lash out that these things are even being discussed."
I've seen this lashing out regarding Krugman, the Reagan comment (reading Kid Oakland on this was breathe taking to watch someone who was once so liberal try to spin it as "Clinton does it worse.") and regarding my concerns over why I would want to have a brokered convention.
I suppose ultimately Merbex's rant was right going forward after this primary:
"There is a lesson here and that is there is no point in jumping on anyone's bandwagon until proper research has been done about the candidate you support, or to watch as some early appearances before voters and reporters shows you what type of a candidate they will be on the long haul."
But perhaps this is an impossibility given how quickly people become vested and circle the wagons. Given that we are a faith based nation.
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